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What if Kilkenny?
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What if Kilkenny?

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Brewery Site

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The closing of the Brewery has handed Kilkenny a golden opportunity that no other city can boast. It has provided Kilkenny with a platform to allow it perform and flourish. When one thinks of ideas for cities these days, they immediately start thinking of modern, urban ideas. They think of designs that are modern, they think of ideas that are modern, they think of a city that's modern. What's modern to a person from Paris, or Berlin, or New York, or Madrid? Modern is all around them, it envelops their lives, they live and breath modern everyday, it doesn't excite them. Will people travel to Kilkenny City to see modern? The answer is no. If people want to see modern, why travel to Kilkenny when you can see it in your own country or big cities such as Dublin, Kilkenny can't compete on this level. Modern is not our calling card. Kilkenny is unique, it's different. No other city is like it. It's beautiful, medieval and in many cases, unchanged and untouched. People travel here for that exact offering. No one can compete with Kilkenny's offering of history and heritage in the same way that Kilkenny can't compete with Dublin when it comes to a modern urban centre. The designs for the Brewery Site need to respect that and it must have a Kilkenny stamp on it, this is essential. In Kilkenny today, very few buildings fail to fit the profile of our city, it should remain this way. As they say, 'Why change a winning formula?'. Yes of course there has to be some level of modernisation to the plans but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't show respect to the rest of the city.

If wrong decisions are made because the money isn’t there, they shouldn’t be made at all. They should be made when the money is there. There is no need to rush in to things. Good ideas don’t just happen.

We hope that this is not the last public consultation and that the vote is postponed. There is not nearly enough time to consider all of the proposals. The decisions will end up being rushed and we will face the CAS fiasco all over again.

We have loads of other ideas for Kilkenny, big and small, please let us know if you’d like to hear them. We didn’t get to include all our ideas in this email. We didn’t realise the deadline was today and as a result, this is what we have written today, but as said above, we hope this isn’t the last public consultation.

 

Dunnes Car Park

One area of concern that we have looked at is Dunnes Car Park, we already have a number of colossal car parks in the small city of Kilkenny. The Car park is a great amenity as it means more parking in Kilkenny to match a growing population and urban expansion, but by doing this, we take a significant amount of land away from the people. Sure, people can go park there, but by doing this, we cut one side of the river off from the other. Placing in big buildings at the dunnes car park site would ruin the possibility of a large public park by the river. Not a linear park, but a real park area with ponds and water features. It would encourage walking and cycling in the city and promote development towards the old mart site because people would come down to the river and beyond which is important as at the moment the mart site is quite disconnected as it is from the other side of the river. Looking out from Kilkenny Castle along the river the view would look incredible if there was dense trees and vegetation. It would be a setting befitting of a picture, it will also maintain the current walking links around the city keeping the current connection with the Mart side of the river, it will create new walking routes and it will also make Kilkenny a much greener place. It will also give us the ideal space for a number of statues and art sculptures, something that as a city that prides itself on heritage, arts and crafts, we are lacking in. Our proposal is to underground the multi-storey car park and to put a public park at ground level. Travelators and escalators would be used to enter the car park. These could be put internally and externally of Dunnes. Would this be more expensive? Yes. Would it be more time consuming? Certainly. Would it be worth it? Most definetly. This idea, while being more expensive and taking longer to construct will easily outweigh these negatives in the long term as it will put green spaces first, something that was brought up again and again in the ' The Brewery: Re-visioning'. This is an idea that people want to see happen, they want more greenery, they want to walk around Kilkenny. To have the car park above ground is unnecessary and unwanted, why build something that is either of these? Below are three images of our 3D model of a park which we loaded into Google Earth.

3D Model 1:

3D Model 2:

3D Model 3:

Evans Tower

We also looked at the idea of using the existing well on the Brewery site. One business finishes, another one begins. Why not tap into the well and start our own bottled water company? 'St. Francis' Abbey Spring Water'. Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? With so many industrial buildings already on site, this idea is not as hard to get off the ground as it seems. This idea would create employment in Kilkenny, brand Kilkenny around Ireland, just as 'Tipperary Mineral Water' does for Tipperary and all profits could go directly into projects for improving Kilkenny. In our opinion, this would be a major development for Kilkenny and a major step forward and we would love to see such an idea see the light of day. We would like to see it with a logo similar to that of Kilkenny Ale.

We feel that is important that restoration occurs on the Brewery site. We would love to see some of St. Francis' Abbey restored but what we really want to see is the restoration of the City Walls and Evans Turret, both of which have seen a steady rate of deterioration over the years. Evans Turret currently does not look anything of it's former self and it will continue on it's way to ruin if something is not done soon about it. We hope that the opening of the Brewery Site will allow people to rediscover the turret and the adjoining walls, bringing the people of Kilkenny closer to their past and closer to History. Below is a picture of Evans Turret and before and after pictures of what we see the restoration doing.

Evans Tower Before:

Evans Tower After:

 

Water Activities

We also feel that more boating activitives and water activities need to be promoted and encouraged and that boats on the river should be embraced. We need to put boats on our river to open us up to new types of tourism with school tours, boating trips, etc. The river at the moment is lifeless, every now and then you see the odd kayak or canoe but what we need is boats going up and down the river every day. It improve Kilkenny's offering hugely as a city. Below, we have included an image of boats along the river outside Dunnes Car Park but we think this should stretch the length of the river up to the Brewery site. Also included is an image of water sports in action on the River. To have a river and not to use seems incredibly idiotic, the river must be utilised to it's full potential so as to truly achieve Kilkenny's true potential and create a better city.

Boats on the River:

Retention of Mayfair

The retention of the Mayfair and the Brewhouse building is a very bad idea. They are of little to no architectural importance to Kilkenny and they hinder the development of the site while also removing the possibility of further conservation and archaeological work on the site. If the Mayfair gets it’s upgrade, building work will put the city walls at risk. The Mayfair currently blocks off much of the city wall from the public. It should be possible to walk along the city walls unrestricted. They are more important than the Mayfair in every way. Why should a building that very little care about be put ahead of the city walls that have stood for centuries. This wall is only metres from where Cromwell broke through and entered Kilkenny City. It needs to repaired, restored and conserved so that future generations may appreciate it, just as the generations of the past have. The design of the redeveloped mayfair is also not in keeping with the architecture of the city and will stand out as an eye sore, it should be knocked, not redeveloped. Retaining the Brewhouse will hinder archaeological work as it sits on an area rich in history that is sure to be of archaeological significance. It is also an ugly building and offers nothing by way of aesthetics. It is almost comical that Reddy Architecture point out in the Planning Presentation Council Meeting on the 27th of June 2015 that they will be going for a varied Urban Grain over something that is monolithic, yet they are retaining the brewhouse, the epitome of monolithic. (Snippet picture of powerpoint below showing difference between monolithic and varied urban grain). The Brewhouse is clearly a monolithic building and just proves that it will hinder development of the site and not be in keeping with the rest of the plan. It should be knocked, the only reason to keep it is for cost saving measures and if it is for this reason, it definitely should be knocked.

Monolithic vs Urban Grain:

Housing

Putting housing on the site should not happen. The housing will be very expensive even though funding has been provided. The money would be much better spent improving the lanes of Kilkenny which have seriously deteriorated. They are boarded up and desolate. They need paint, plants and passion. They currently look very bad and any tourist who walks down these lanes will find an unpleasant place of broken windows, boarded up windows and doors, missing features, tired and dated looking exteriors and vacant houses. Improving these houses would meet our housing needs and put people back in the heart of the city without the need to change it. It would mean that we can cater for more housing needs as refurbishing houses is less expensive than building them, so we could do more. Also putting housing in this area in the brewery cuts off part of what could be part space and makes it narrower, not giving it the same feel of a secluded walk surrounded by dense vegetation that at this area, it should be.

Nore Linear Park

What if we knocked the houses at the end of Green Street? Currently when you walk the Nore Linear Park walk, there is currently a restriction on how far you walk and it is often disappointing to walk the two kilometres and then meet a sudden dead end. If we knocked these houses we could finally link all the walks in the city. We could knock a small portion of the wall coming up to Greensbridge and then there would be direct access from the walk through the Brewery site along the new park and garden areas that are being put along the river. This would make for an enjoyable walk to work for anyone living on that side of town and would possibly encourage more to do so. It would mean more people taking this walk and also once again, encouraging more people to walk. It would be an attractive walk for tourists to be able to cycle the huge stretch of walkway up and back along the river. It would most definitely improve Trails Kilkenny’s offering. This is an idea so simple yet in my opinion, one that would be incredibly effective and would easily offset all costs incurred to make it happen. This is the only change that needs to happen to allow walking the whole of the river walks and this needs to happen. Currently if you want to continue walking further beyond the nore linear park walk, you have to backtrack, walk through a street of a number of houses, walk on a bit, turn left at the lights, cross over Greensbridge, turn right, walk on a bit and then enter the peace park. Now tell me that if you were walking, that the walks aren’t disjointed. If we knock these houses, the directions become; walk across the road. If you wanted to enter the peace park, the directions are; cross over the bridge, turn right, walk on a bit and enter the peace park. Which simpler, leading to a better walking experience. At the very least the walled area beside it should be removed. Currently if you are anywhere in that area or coming out of the envisioned path along the envisioned linear park along the river from the brewery site, the nearest way to get to the Nore Linear Park is to walk out around towards a housing estate rather than walk straight onto it from metres away. You could stand there and not know that there is an incredible walk only a few strides away. There is no way of knowing about the walk if you happened been on it. You can’t see it an access it easily, which should be priority. This premises or at least part of it, needs to be demolished to properly connect walking routes with the Brewery site. You could walk straight across from Green Street seamlessly from the Nore Linear Walk to the new Brewery linear park. It would compliment both parks and finally make the Nore Linear Park open to tourists too, not just the residents of Kilkenny who know about it or live near it. Walking and cycling need to be at the centre of this project and if there are these long, beautiful walks spreading out from the brewery site, it would certainly encourage leisurely activity for tourists and the people of Kilkenny alike. This needs to happen. The Nore Linear Park will not be fully utilised and reach it’s full potential otherwise. It will not be fully connected to the rest of the city if this doesn’t happen. This is a small change that would have a major impact on how the parks along the river are used and by who they are used. This must happen.

Innovation Hub

What if we had an innovation hub on the brewery site that anyone or group of people could go into an open plan area and work on ideas and projects? It would encourage communicating between businesses and certainly fit well with whatever form of third level education is being looked at. This would be beneficial for everyone and would receive a lot of use.

Convention Centre

What if we had a convention centre with an exhibition space? It would promote business in Kilkenny and would be able to cater from small to big. Would be multi purpose as it could hold shows, comedy, theatre, festivals, talks, meetings, gatherings, concerts, etc. but must interestingly it could also double as being used as a lecture hall, guaranteeing it’s use on a regular basis. It would not be a huge colossal building but could have meeting rooms, and could have large areas similar to the Watergate surrounded with seats that could have a partition of some sort between them to allow for big and small events. Also, it could possibly have an exhibition space for school competitions, open events, arts and crafts which Kilkenny prides itself on, pretty much any use. With the RDS in Dublin, the exhibition space has really helped the local economy around it as it draws in large crowds that then disperse after the event or during the event at lunch and pend their money. It would smaller than Cillin Hill which is fantastic but many people drive home after going to Cillin Hill as it is not in the city centre and they are close to the ring road. If we had an exhibition space it would really drive the economy in Kilkenny. Pictured below is a quick drawing of a potential design for a convention centre in Kilkenny.

Convention Centre:

Rainworks

We should also look into the idea of using Rainworks on the site which sprays a hydrophobic coating on the ground which water cannot infiltrate. It is sprayed through a stencil to produce an image or a message. This could be use to point people to a building or mark the medieval mile. The medieval mile badge could be sprayed. It is very unobtrusive, stands out but looks natural and would be an awesome piece of innovation that I haven’t witnessed anywhere else. When it rains, the messages are revealed.

Weir

What if the old weir was rebuilt? It would look spectacular and greatly add to the look of the river beneath Greens Bridge and the CAS bridge. You have to think of the senses planning. The sounds of gushing water would add peace and tranquility to the area. Natural sounds. It would also restore a piece of lost heritage. Much of it still remains.

Concrete Capping

The concrete capping on the city wall between Watergate Bridge and the Mayfair needs to be removed. The concrete degrades the wall and makes it appear like the wall is much younger than it actually is. It is part of the city wall. It is centuries old. Removing it would be much more respectful and it would look much nicer if the stones formed the top of the wall.

Red Lion Inn

The restoration of the Red Lion Inn needs to be a top priority of the Masterplan. It’s architectural value matches that of the Shee Alms House and it’s proximity to Rothe House makes it a sure stop for many tourists. The building should be repaired and used to promote heritage in the same way that the Shee Alms House promotes our tourism and heritage and the same way that Rothe House houses the Kilkenny Archaeological Society and many artefacts and stories of significance. Being on the Medieval Mile, developed properly, the Red Lion Inn could be a massive stopping point along the mile. One possible idea for it would be turn it into a Medieval tavern/inn/pub/restaurant similar to the The Hole In The Wall but it would have to have a unique offering to it as well. That should be very successful, tying in with our Medieval History while also offering something that currently Kilkenny have. Included below is a picture of it.

Red Lion Inn:

Green Roofs

Encourage the construction and provide funding for the building of green roofs. Green roofs reduce energy costs and energy usage by insulating the roof of the building. They give colour to a building and give life  to otherwise dull environments. The roofs of buildings are particularly important to address in Kilkenny due to the round tower which overlooks them. It is noticeable that in Kilkenny City, birds are absent, but with green roofs wildlife is supported that is often destroyed by the creation of new buildings. With green roofs, habitats that have been destroyed on the ground are rebuilt on the roof resulting in no loss of a habitat. They also removed CO2 from the air, filter the air and add the smells of fresh air and plants to the city. They effectively reuse  water  to  grow themselves and are pleasant places to walk through and relax in. They are an efficient use of space as they can allow the roof of a building to be used as well as the rest of it. The plants purify the air and remove pollutants which stops water from becoming contaminated such as other things. These roofs also reduce run off of water and reduce the stress on drains and pipes during heavy downpours by absorbing the water rather than letting it run straight off the roof. This water will eventually be used up, run off, or evaporate but at a slower and safer rate that it doesn’t require heavy demands on the plumbing of the city. It also reduces sound pollution which is important in a city centre and studys show that a green roof is effective as ten centimetres of concrete meaning that it is much more cost efficient in it’s sound proofing. The cost of a green roof will be returned in just a few years due to the savings made on heat and energy bills and if funding is made available to install a green roof, the cost will be offset even quicker. There is also the benefit of sound reduction against rain as instead of rain hitting a hard surface, it is being absorbed by a soft surface and therefore there is much less sound. Kilkenny has the chance to pioneer such a move and put itself on the world stage with the Brewery Site handing us the opportunity to rebuild from the ground up.

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Unique Reference Number: 
CVQ-1322
Status: 
Submitted
No. of documents attached: 
17
Boundaries Captured on Map: 
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